What do you suppose would happen if these Ukrainian terrorists were to be unleashed on Western Europe? Maybe they are "somehow" convinced to take revenge on NATO for selling them out? Too far-fetched?
All possibilities are considered, even that western intel svs may find themselves short of funds, (petro-dollars) and outbid by the opposition. Not saying it “will” happen. Radical fluctuations happen in ironic times.
Ref: ''These literal murderers now have exceptional amounts of money, access to immense inventories of weapons pilfered from Western deliveries, and there is nobody who is willing or even able to say or do anything to stop them from committing future acts of terro''r.
What the Europeans ie NATO countries forget is that this terrorism is likely to be used against them when Zelensky want to force EU/NATO to keep on defending/supporting Ukraine...
And thta NATO likely intend to use these terrorists post war as there ''leve behind'' forces.. per their Gladio policy... This is going to hurt the Europeans badly... they do not have the defences Russia has...
Apart from that I do not think that there is any chances of article 5 being used... as EU/NATO have no armies to speak of and no weapons...
Please lay off using "Hail Mary" as a "keep wishing" expression. The Hail Mary is a prayer. Analyze each line and you will be surprised by its meaning. It is prayed by millions in the rosary, both the russian Saint Seraphim of Sarov or Saint Domingo of Guzman ways, a string of 150 prayers but not senselessly. Each group of ten is said as you meditate on episodes of her life and that of her son and how she handled them. As a man you will find you must ask your wife if she accepts carrying a child, as a mother you realize you can ask your son to help others, or not to worry when you dont see what he is up to because he is doing Gods work, growing to his full potential to love and be loved even if it might be dangerous, etc.
When I was using the term "Hail Mary", it was in relation to the sports connotation in American football and not meant to signify anything religious. That said, I appreciate your concern and I will refrain from using it in the future. Thank you for pointing it out.
None of this explains why it has taken Russia so long to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, and why they still allow trains/trucks access from Poland and Romania.
I might be terribly naive but the days of 'exhausting' NATO are surely over and now that Odessa is taken off the board its time to severe all Ukrainian links with the rest of Europe, including servicable airfields around Kiev.
The Ukraine War since 2014 has been a total war. It is difficult, perhaps next to impossible, to differentiate civilians from combatants to apply the old European concepts of war versus terrorism, or soldiers versus spies versus civilians. In addition, only the side that achieved a significant victory margin can ask for punishment for war crimes. Conventional wars aim to bend the will of the opposing governments or organizations. Total wars tend to destroy the entire opposing nation or people, intentionally or unintentionally. The case of Israel against its neighbors is a better example of modern total wars.
I believe that "terrorism" should be limited to non-state actors seeking non-political goals. PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah are not terrorists because they are fighting for political goals. The Ukrainian government or the nation is NOT a terrorist organization either. It is simply an autocratic puppet regime that rules and fights with brutal, unconstrained tactics. And Russia should fight back the same way. Russia can CHOOSE to be nice to the Ukrainian population for whatever reason, but it is a CHOICE they make.
Historically, there has never been law enforcement to protect civilians or the neutrals. People and nations have to protect themselves rather than depending on international organizations or laws. Laws make sense only when there are enforcers. For Putin the Lawyer, now he has to become Putin the Enforcer. But as right now, Putin is simply a war-time leader; there is no real room to consider terrorism or its punishment. The war has to be won first.
People attacking while hiding behind skirts are terrorists because their aim is to terrorize, as they cannot win if they actually come out in the open. Guerilla warfare is a midway style. Ukrainian army puppets are coverup skirts for our western administrators who are using our money for what it was not intended.
As a soldier, I will shoot a uniformed enemy but grant him basic necessities as per the Geneva Convention. But for a non-uniformed terrorist, I will shoot him and leave no quarter. But yes, there is a wide swath of gray areas.
1. It's not terrorism when WE do it. The West controls the narrative
2. Nobody carea about Ukraine or Ukrainians. Nobody in Washington, nobody in Brussels, nobody in Kiev. In fact, Putin probably cares more about Ukrainians than all of the above combined, which sentimental weakness Kiev and its western sponsors gleefully make use of.
Russia's attacks on 'gas stations', trucks, fuel infrastructure, and the Odessa port region will surely reduce the number of drones available, or perhaps eliminate them altogether.
1. I wonder why you call Alexander Dugin a 'far right philosopher'. In my opinion he is a wise Russian Orthodox philosopher.
2. President Putin seems to act rationally. He seems to understand that a harsher response to the Ukrainian terrorist attacks will not diminish them. So a harsher response doesn't serve a rational goal. Better to invest all avymeans in the prestated goals of the SMO.
Jon, from a strategic standpoint should the Russians be looking to covertly assassinate key western figures that are responsible for this ongoing terrorism, people like Alex Karp or Elon Musk, for instance? This could yield some crisis of conscience among the rest of the lunatics that acutally are responsible for implementing the terrorism as opposed to brain-dead political leaders who, in the end, can do little more than sign blank checks. Or is this purely whack-a-mole?
Btw, I suspect Lyndsey Graham's death may have been the result of a drone strike but that is difficult to know for certain.
What do you suppose would happen if these Ukrainian terrorists were to be unleashed on Western Europe? Maybe they are "somehow" convinced to take revenge on NATO for selling them out? Too far-fetched?
It's certainly a possibility and yet another reason why it's reckless to enable terrorism.
That’s never stopped anyone. Go figure.
They won't be, unless and until the CIA or MI6 decides this is useful.
Exactly the point. They can be aimed in any direction money can buy. Including western intel services.
This assumes that western intelligence services will so direct. But they don't need the collapse of Ukraine to do that.
All possibilities are considered, even that western intel svs may find themselves short of funds, (petro-dollars) and outbid by the opposition. Not saying it “will” happen. Radical fluctuations happen in ironic times.
Seems like a lot of wishful thinking, and it's not just a matter of cash.
We’ll watch the show. It’s not so much a wish, as expecting the unexpected.
Ref: ''These literal murderers now have exceptional amounts of money, access to immense inventories of weapons pilfered from Western deliveries, and there is nobody who is willing or even able to say or do anything to stop them from committing future acts of terro''r.
What the Europeans ie NATO countries forget is that this terrorism is likely to be used against them when Zelensky want to force EU/NATO to keep on defending/supporting Ukraine...
And thta NATO likely intend to use these terrorists post war as there ''leve behind'' forces.. per their Gladio policy... This is going to hurt the Europeans badly... they do not have the defences Russia has...
Apart from that I do not think that there is any chances of article 5 being used... as EU/NATO have no armies to speak of and no weapons...
I agree that it may come back to bite the Europeans.
Don't kid yourself. Ukrainian terrorism is entirely dependent on western training, funding and intel.
It's a slippery slope. A good example of how it spirals out of control was the recent bombing in Monaco.
Explain, please. AS far as the West was concerned, the operation was desired and successful.
I think my dad Vlad is doing a great job, praise God
And the world says nothing, does nothing just zombies to the slaughter when it comes to them.
Please lay off using "Hail Mary" as a "keep wishing" expression. The Hail Mary is a prayer. Analyze each line and you will be surprised by its meaning. It is prayed by millions in the rosary, both the russian Saint Seraphim of Sarov or Saint Domingo of Guzman ways, a string of 150 prayers but not senselessly. Each group of ten is said as you meditate on episodes of her life and that of her son and how she handled them. As a man you will find you must ask your wife if she accepts carrying a child, as a mother you realize you can ask your son to help others, or not to worry when you dont see what he is up to because he is doing Gods work, growing to his full potential to love and be loved even if it might be dangerous, etc.
When I was using the term "Hail Mary", it was in relation to the sports connotation in American football and not meant to signify anything religious. That said, I appreciate your concern and I will refrain from using it in the future. Thank you for pointing it out.
None of this explains why it has taken Russia so long to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, and why they still allow trains/trucks access from Poland and Romania.
I might be terribly naive but the days of 'exhausting' NATO are surely over and now that Odessa is taken off the board its time to severe all Ukrainian links with the rest of Europe, including servicable airfields around Kiev.
You make a fair point
The Ukraine War since 2014 has been a total war. It is difficult, perhaps next to impossible, to differentiate civilians from combatants to apply the old European concepts of war versus terrorism, or soldiers versus spies versus civilians. In addition, only the side that achieved a significant victory margin can ask for punishment for war crimes. Conventional wars aim to bend the will of the opposing governments or organizations. Total wars tend to destroy the entire opposing nation or people, intentionally or unintentionally. The case of Israel against its neighbors is a better example of modern total wars.
I believe that "terrorism" should be limited to non-state actors seeking non-political goals. PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah are not terrorists because they are fighting for political goals. The Ukrainian government or the nation is NOT a terrorist organization either. It is simply an autocratic puppet regime that rules and fights with brutal, unconstrained tactics. And Russia should fight back the same way. Russia can CHOOSE to be nice to the Ukrainian population for whatever reason, but it is a CHOICE they make.
Historically, there has never been law enforcement to protect civilians or the neutrals. People and nations have to protect themselves rather than depending on international organizations or laws. Laws make sense only when there are enforcers. For Putin the Lawyer, now he has to become Putin the Enforcer. But as right now, Putin is simply a war-time leader; there is no real room to consider terrorism or its punishment. The war has to be won first.
People attacking while hiding behind skirts are terrorists because their aim is to terrorize, as they cannot win if they actually come out in the open. Guerilla warfare is a midway style. Ukrainian army puppets are coverup skirts for our western administrators who are using our money for what it was not intended.
As a soldier, I will shoot a uniformed enemy but grant him basic necessities as per the Geneva Convention. But for a non-uniformed terrorist, I will shoot him and leave no quarter. But yes, there is a wide swath of gray areas.
“… as Russia nears the final days of the SMO”?
It’s true that Putin believes the war is chugging along satisfactorily, but I don’t think there’s any evidence that we’re close to final days.
Here we go again:
1. It's not terrorism when WE do it. The West controls the narrative
2. Nobody carea about Ukraine or Ukrainians. Nobody in Washington, nobody in Brussels, nobody in Kiev. In fact, Putin probably cares more about Ukrainians than all of the above combined, which sentimental weakness Kiev and its western sponsors gleefully make use of.
I especially agree with point #2
It doesn't help Russia in any way, even with Ukrainians. In fact, Russian dithering and indecision have accomplished the opposite.
Russia's attacks on 'gas stations', trucks, fuel infrastructure, and the Odessa port region will surely reduce the number of drones available, or perhaps eliminate them altogether.
Thank you!
Two points.
1. I wonder why you call Alexander Dugin a 'far right philosopher'. In my opinion he is a wise Russian Orthodox philosopher.
2. President Putin seems to act rationally. He seems to understand that a harsher response to the Ukrainian terrorist attacks will not diminish them. So a harsher response doesn't serve a rational goal. Better to invest all avymeans in the prestated goals of the SMO.
I agree. Vladimir Putin is extraordinarily rational.
Jon, from a strategic standpoint should the Russians be looking to covertly assassinate key western figures that are responsible for this ongoing terrorism, people like Alex Karp or Elon Musk, for instance? This could yield some crisis of conscience among the rest of the lunatics that acutally are responsible for implementing the terrorism as opposed to brain-dead political leaders who, in the end, can do little more than sign blank checks. Or is this purely whack-a-mole?
Btw, I suspect Lyndsey Graham's death may have been the result of a drone strike but that is difficult to know for certain.